[OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Electronic Data Interchange?

Submitted by tanderson on Thu, 23/04/2009 - 00:47

General developer's discussion

Does anyone have any information about what standards for supply chain EDI are used, and in which jurisdictions? Or are the interfaces typically proprietary?

There are a few open standards available which could be used: EDIFACT - http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/welcome.htm ASC X12 - http://www.x12.org/ ebXML - http://www.ebxml.org/ UBL - http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ubl In Australia, there doesn't appear to be much adoption of the above. In fact the only reference I've found so far was for a demonstration project back in 2004 for the pharmacy sector*. This used EDIFACT in conjunction with Australian Standards AS 5023.1 and AS 5023.2

Regards,

Tim

* http://www.mmv.vic.gov.au/Assets/239/1/MonashProjectECEPP.pdf

Re: [OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Elec

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Thu, 23/04/2009 - 15:00.

Hi Tim,

I for one think these standards are rarely used in small to medium sized business's although they have lots of merits.

I would love to utilise something like these as they can readily grow to meet ever increasing business to business electronic transaction requirements but unfortunately they can be very complex and costly to implement. Something that may be beyond your typical veterinary business budget

Cheers Tony

On 22/04/09 12:31 PM, "Tim Anderson" :

> Does anyone have any information about what standards for supply chain EDI are > used, and in which jurisdictions? > Or are the interfaces typically proprietary? > > There are a few open standards available which could be used: > * EDIFACT - http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/welcome.htm > * > * ASC X12 - http://www.x12.org/ > * ebXML - http://www.ebxml.org/ > * > * UBL - http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ubl > In Australia, there doesn't appear to be much adoption of the above. In fact > the only reference I've found so far was for a demonstration project back in > 2004 for the pharmacy sector*. This used EDIFACT in conjunction with > Australian Standards AS 5023.1 and AS 5023.2 > > Regards, > > Tim > > * http://www.mmv.vic.gov.au/Assets/239/1/MonashProjectECEPP.pdf > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS Developers Mailing List > developers@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/developers > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS Developer's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvdf

Re: [OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Elec

Submitted by atwong (not verified) on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 05:00.

I for one think these standards are rarely used in small to medium sized business's although they have lots of merits.

I think that they're rarely used because small and medium sized business use tightly integrated stacks (eg. programs like quickbooks where everything is provided so they don't need to integrate to anything else). When business ask, why can't they use something else, the reasons for standards are much more obvious (interoperability, freedom of choice, lower costs, etc etc).

I would love to utilise something like these as they can readily grow to meet ever increasing business to business electronic transaction requirements but unfortunately they can be very complex and costly to implement. Something that may be beyond your typical veterinary business budget

Actually I think that is the opportunity here. For point to point EDI, small and medium busines can exchange a mutually agreed upon EDI. This can be as easy as importing or exporting an XML file. For larger or more complex buisnesses, Service providers (like Virtual Connect and VetAnyware) can provide a broker/gateway where we can provide the mediation, transformation and routing of EDI formats between various applications. Another option is that by using an EDI as a more formal data exchange system, we may be able to run a hybrid envirnoment (2 VPMS software) whereby we can provide a more gradual migration path than a pure, "full migration over the weekend". The most important contract that we have between each other is that there is a commitment of using a "standard" or publically agreed syntax for exchanging data from system to system.

-- Albert T. Wong VetAnyware, Veterinary Business Software Solutions

Re: [OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Elec

Submitted by atwong (not verified) on Wed, 29/04/2009 - 04:00.

Have you seen of the HL7 work in veterinary medicine? It's being championed by UC Davis - http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan00/s011500t.asp. I believe there is a HL7 veterinary library on sourceforge.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Tim Anderson wrote:

> Does anyone have any information about what standards for supply chain EDI > are used, and in which jurisdictions? > Or are the interfaces typically proprietary? > > There are a few open standards available which could be used: > > - EDIFACT - http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/welcome.htm > - ASC X12 - http://www.x12.org/ > - ebXML - http://www.ebxml.org/ > - UBL - http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ubl > > In Australia, there doesn't appear to be much adoption of the above. In > fact the only reference I've found so far was for a demonstration project > back in 2004 for the pharmacy sector*. This used EDIFACT in conjunction with > Australian Standards AS 5023.1 and AS 5023.2 > > Regards, > > Tim > > * http://www.mmv.vic.gov.au/Assets/239/1/MonashProjectECEPP.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS Developers Mailing List > developers@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/developers > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS Developer's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvdf > >

-- Albert T. Wong VetAnyware, Veterinary Business Software Solutions

Re: [OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Elec

Submitted by tanderson on Wed, 29/04/2009 - 13:00.

Yes - although as far as I'm aware HL7 is not designed for e-commerce.
Should we wish to export and import patient data from other systems, HL7 is a likely candidate.

I was interested to know if there was a dominant standard in use for e-commerce between vpmses and suppliers.

As an aside, there is an ebXML message wrapper for HL7 version 3:
http://www.hl7.org/v3ballot2007sep/html/infrastructure/transport/transpo...

-Tim

Re: [OpenVPMS Developers] Standards for veterinary supplier Elec

Submitted by atwong (not verified) on Sun, 24/05/2009 - 03:00.

Hey Tim,

>>Should we wish to export and import patient data from other systems, HL7

is a likely candidate.

Any plans for this?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Tim Anderson wrote:

> Yes - although as far as I'm aware HL7 is not designed for e-commerce. > Should we wish to export and import patient data from other systems, HL7 is > a likely candidate. > > I was interested to know if there was a dominant standard in use for > e-commerce between vpmses and suppliers. > > As an aside, there is an ebXML message wrapper for HL7 version 3: > > http://www.hl7.org/v3ballot2007sep/html/infrastructure/transport/transport-ebxml.htm > > -Tim > > > Albert T. Wong wrote: > > Have you seen of the HL7 work in veterinary medicine? It's being > championed by UC Davis - > http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan00/s011500t.asp. I believe there is > a HL7 veterinary library on sourceforge. > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Tim Anderson wrote: > >> Does anyone have any information about what standards for supply chain EDI >> are used, and in which jurisdictions? >> Or are the interfaces typically proprietary? >> >> There are a few open standards available which could be used: >> >> - EDIFACT - http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/welcome.htm >> - ASC X12 - http://www.x12.org/ >> - ebXML - http://www.ebxml.org/ >> - UBL - >> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ubl >> >> In Australia, there doesn't appear to be much adoption of the above. In >> fact the only reference I've found so far was for a demonstration project >> back in 2004 for the pharmacy sector*. This used EDIFACT in conjunction with >> Australian Standards AS 5023.1 and AS 5023.2 >> >> Regards, >> >> Tim >> >> * http://www.mmv.vic.gov.au/Assets/239/1/MonashProjectECEPP.pdf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenVPMS Developers Mailing List >> developers@lists.openvpms.org >> To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: >> http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/developers >> Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the >> OpenVPMS Developer's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvdf >> >> > > > -- > Albert T. Wong > VetAnyware, Veterinary Business Software Solutions > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS Developers Mailing Listdevelopers@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit:http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/developers > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS Developer's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvdf > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS Developers Mailing List > developers@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/developers > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS Developer's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvdf > >

-- Albert T. Wong VetAnyware, Veterinary Business Software Solutions