Subscription rates for overseas clinics and not-for-profit organisations

This morning Peter made the following submission which ended up in the wrong thread so I am reposting it to it's own thread:

Hi All,

We have recently had inquiries from overseas and also not-for-profit clinics about subscriptions to OpenVPMS. I believe the subscription model that we have is very reasonable and provides access to our very good software at a very affordable rate but I can see that this might not necessarily apply in these two cases for 2 different reasons.

Firstly, one inquiry has been from a group of Mexican veterinarians who work in relatively poor areas. In an effort to get an idea of the relative wealth of their practice I asked them what they charged for a consultation and it turns out to be around $12 US (about $15 au today but who knows tomorrow.....). So it seems that the real cost to a Mexican veterinarian would be 3-4 times the cost to ourselves. Secondly, we have had a couple of inquiries from not for profit groups who are servicing poor communities, mainly by desexing local dogs and cats. These groups have limited incomes and are struggling to get best value from their financial resources.

So my question to our community is should we have a means of scaling our subscription fee according to the wealth of a particular nation, and how would we measure this? Further to this should we have a discounted subscription (perhaps a percentage - somewhere between 50 and 100%) that might apply over and above this for not-for-profit bodies and what proof would we need to ascertain their status?

I would very much appreciate your views on this matter, particularly if you have any insight into the circumstances under which some of these clinics might exist.

Regards,
Peter

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Reduced subscription rates for non-profits and the less wealthy

I believe scaling it based on the country alone is probably not the best solution as some practices within those countries may be more wealthy and profitable than others.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a committee of say 4 or 5 people made up of stakeholders and users that are empowered to make a determination on these on a case by case basis.

A webform could be setup that organisations or individuals would have to use to apply for special consideration. This can then be forwarded to the members of the committee who can then vote to make a determination on whether the organisation is worthy of receiving either a license with no fees, or a license with a reduced subscription rate. Letting the committee use their discretion to determine the subscription rate would, I believe, result in a larger uptake of the software than would occur with just using a generic formula.

Re: Reduced subscription rates for non-profits and the less wea

I agree-I think there are certainly some deserving cases out there, such as the ones outlined earlier, but it's going to be too hard to make consistent and reasonable rules about what is eligible and what isn't. Much better to deal with them on a case by case basis and make individual determinations.

_______________________________ Craig Challen Vetwest Animal Hospitals

-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org [mailto:users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org] On Behalf Of myoung@openvpms.org Sent: Friday, 10 July 2009 12:47 To: users@lists.openvpms.org Subject: [OpenVPMS Users] Reduced subscription rates for non-profits and the less wealthy

I believe scaling it based on the country alone is probably not the best solution as some practices within those countries may be more wealthy and profitable than others.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a committee of say 4 or 5 people made up of stakeholders and users that are empowered to make a determination on these on a case by case basis.

A webform could be setup that organisations or individuals would have to use to apply for special consideration. This can then be forwarded to the members of the committee who can then vote to make a determination on whether the organisation is worthy of receiving either a license with no fees, or a license with a reduced subscription rate. Letting the committee use their discretion to determine the subscription rate would, I believe, result in a larger uptake of the software than would occur with just using a generic formula. _______________________________________________ OpenVPMS User Mailing List users@lists.openvpms.org To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Re: Reduced subscription rates for non-profits and the less wea

//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> Thanks Craig and Matt, Perhaps we can work on some criteria to evaluate how worthy an enterprise would be of receiving a discount. I am guessing that we would still need a factor that relates to a country's standard of living to determine the difference between clinics working with the poor in, for example UK and Mexico. Anyone out there willing to join the committee and suggest some criteria? Peter Craig Challen wrote:

type="cite">I agree-I think there are certainly some deserving cases out there, such as the ones outlined earlier, but it's going to be too hard to make consistent and reasonable rules about what is eligible and what isn't. Much better to deal with them on a case by case basis and make individual determinations. _______________________________ Craig Challen Vetwest Animal Hospitals -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org [mailto:users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org] On Behalf Of myoung@openvpms.org Sent: Friday, 10 July 2009 12:47 To: users@lists.openvpms.org Subject: [OpenVPMS Users] Reduced subscription rates for non-profits and the less wealthy I believe scaling it based on the country alone is probably not the best solution as some practices within those countries may be more wealthy and profitable than others. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a committee of say 4 or 5 people made up of stakeholders and users that are empowered to make a determination on these on a case by case basis. A webform could be setup that organisations or individuals would have to use to apply for special consideration. This can then be forwarded to the members of the committee who can then vote to make a determination on whether the organisation is worthy of receiving either a license with no fees, or a license with a reduced subscription rate. Letting the committee use their discretion to determine the subscription rate would, I believe, result in a larger uptake of the software than would occur with just using a generic formula. _______________________________________________ OpenVPMS User Mailing List users@lists.openvpms.org To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: //lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users">http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's forum- //tinyurl.com/openvfu">http://tinyurl.com/openvfu _______________________________________________ OpenVPMS User Mailing List users@lists.openvpms.org To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: //lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users">http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's forum- //tinyurl.com/openvfu">http://tinyurl.com/openvfu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - //www.avg.com">www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.11/2232 - Release Date: 07/11/09 17:56:00

Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates

Criteria for consideration only

- A registered not-for-profit organisation.

- An organisation/practice that operates under financial hardship.

  - eg. When converted to AUD, median FVE  wages are 50% or less of an Australian benchmark.

 

All applications should provide;

- A letter summarising the nature of their pratice including reasons why they feel concessional rates are applicable.

- Supporting paperwork such as pricing schemes, median salaries for FTE vets.

 

All determinations by the committee are considered on a case-by-case basis.

Re: Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates

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Hi Everyone,   I think that subsidised subscriptions for practices in developing countries is a practical way in which we can make a contribution to animal welfare and economic development in these countries. We would also be supporting our collegues who are presumably working under difficult conditions, at minimal cost to ourselves.   IMHO, setting up a committee to vet (pardon the pun) individual applications is overcomplicating the process.     My suggestion would be to have a set of simple criteria for practices in developing countries; if a practice meets the qualifications, it gets a subsidised subscription.   A list of emerging and developing economies according to the //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund">International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook Report, April 2009 can be found at //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country. There are 138 according to my count.   My suggestion for subscription rates is:  

  • Registered non-for-profit organisation: Free
 
  • Private practice: Nominal rate
  Cheers,   Ross Beatty        > To: users@lists.openvpms.org> From: mpcosta@boroniavet.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:26:32 +0000> Subject: [OpenVPMS Users] Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates> > Criteria for consideration only> - A registered not-for-profit organisation.> - An organisation/practice that operates under financial hardship.>   - eg. When converted to AUD, median FVE  wages are 50% or less of an Australian benchmark.>  > All applications should provide;> - A letter summarising the nature of their pratice including reasons why they feel concessional rates are applicable.> - Supporting paperwork such as pricing schemes, median salaries for FTE vets.>  > All determinations by the committee are considered on a case-by-case basis. > _______________________________________________> OpenVPMS User Mailing List> users@lists.openvpms.org> To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit:> http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users> Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu Let us help with car news, reviews and more //a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT' target='_new'>Looking for a new car this winter?

Re: Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates

Looks a good option for those wishing to use it in those countries listed. I would suggest free in all those countries whether private practice or NFP.

NFP clinics in developed countries tho?

 

Matt C

 

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:23:30 +1000, wrote:

Hi Everyone,   I think that subsidised subscriptions for practices in developing countries is a practical way in which we can make a contribution to animal welfare and economic development in these countries. We would also be supporting our collegues who are presumably working under difficult conditions, at minimal cost to ourselves.   IMHO, setting up a committee to vet (pardon the pun) individual applications is overcomplicating the process.     My suggestion would be to have a set of simple criteria for practices in developing countries; if a practice meets the qualifications, it gets a subsidised subscription.   A list of emerging and developing economies according to the //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund">International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook Report, April 2009 can be found at //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country. There are 138 according to my count.   My suggestion for subscription rates is:  

  • Registered non-for-profit organisation: Free

 

  • Private practice: Nominal rate

  Cheers,   Ross Beatty        > To: users@lists.openvpms.org> From: mpcosta@boroniavet.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:26:32 +0000> Subject: [OpenVPMS Users] Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates> > Criteria for consideration only> - A registered not-for-profit organisation.> - An organisation/practice that operates under financial hardship.>   - eg. When converted to AUD, median FVE  wages are 50% or less of an Australian benchmark.>  > All applications should provide;> - A letter summarising the nature of their pratice including reasons why they feel concessional rates are applicable.> - Supporting paperwork such as pricing schemes, median salaries for FTE vets.>  > All determinations by the committee are considered on a case-by-case basis. > _______________________________________________> OpenVPMS User Mailing List> users@lists.openvpms.org> To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit:> http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users> Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Re: Possible criteria for concessional subscription rates

Great suggestions Ross and Matt, I would think that I would support zero fees for countries in the low income zone however beyond that we still need to apply criteria to countries higher up the scale because of the massive gap between rich and poor in places like China and India. Perhaps this is where NFP may come in or perhaps vet salaries or standard consult fees for a given practice. Maybe a standardised form would be good enough. It require a degree of honesty in filling it out but that's the basis of our subscription model anyway.

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