Auto Capitals as default

Submitted by bellvet on Tue, 03/02/2009 - 13:57

General User's Discussion

We are finding lots of new files that have been made up with surnames not beginning with capitals, street addresses not beginning in capitals, patient names not beginning in capitals,etc. Could this be something that automatically happens when entering new clients in openvpms?

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Submitted by tony on Wed, 04/02/2009 - 09:16.

Hi Sandra,

Just a small hint. To make it easier to follow the discussion on specific ideas and requests it would be good to have one per post rather than put multiple in the same post.

1. Alerts

Having pop alerts is a great idea and I think has been discussed before in the forums. Currently we have customer and patient alerts that display as icons in the summary panel. I assume you would want the option for these to pop-up but only for specific alert types as well as have the ability to have a specific alert pop-up. The other more difficult question is how and when do you want these to pop up. i.e every time the customer or patient is selected either from a list selector or if you select in the workflow or only at specific times like when adding an appointment, check-in etc. Also we have a JIRA entry (feature request) https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-802 regarding different colour alerts in the summary panel which may circumvent the constant pop-ups that often annoy users but still provide sufficient feedback to the user about customer or patient problems ?

2. ID Search

Definitely need this and happy to add a JIRA entry. How do people want this to operate ? i.e a separate search field in the search dialogue or some mechanism by which the system does an id search automatically if it sees only numbers in the current name search field ?

3. Auto Capitalisation

Agree. Have a JIRA already for this. See https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-449. How important is this to people ? Do you want this included in version 1.4 ?

Cheers

Tony

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Submitted by bellvet on Wed, 04/02/2009 - 09:28.

Sandra @ Bellarine

No Worries Tony!

Re Auto Capitalisation.

Submitted by jboot (not verified) on Wed, 04/02/2009 - 10:23.

Most people do like their names correctly printed with appropriate capitals. The old cleche "a mans best friend is his name" has not persisted in business circles for nothing. We had hoped the auto capitalisation would come through with version 3.

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Submitted by tony on Thu, 05/02/2009 - 09:33.

Hi,

I could not agree more. We added this feature request some time ago and
have not actioned it yet as we had very little feedback about it so other
feature requests got precedence. If the user base believe this is a
priority we would be happy to include it in the 1.4 release. Sorry cannot
put in 1.3 release as this is too far through the beta testing process.

One other thing to consider is it would be possible to utilise functions in
the current report and document templates to do the capitalisation
automatically so no matter what the format of the database information the
printed output would come out in Proper Case ... May just take some
investigation ..

Cheers
Tony

Auto capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 10:08.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

The auto capitals on entering data would be my preference, I can't stand seeing files looking so messy even though the second option would print them out correctly anyway. Regarding the second option, I think that would still be worthwhile as then we would not have to go back through our database and fix those entries that are typed incorrectly.

Re: Auto capitals

Submitted by PeterG on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 11:01.

Hi All, I think auto capitals on entering data would be more worthwhile as not only form letters but invoices, labels etc would all look correct. Re technical help, we mustn't forget that what OpenVPMS does is give us the option of whether we would like to access paid help to solve problems rather than pay for it whether we need it or not. So in the instance of our visible comments on the scheduler we paid for the work to be done and are very happy with both the result and the fact that it could be done in the first place. Peter

On 6 Feb 2009 00:08:01 -0000, sandra@bellvet.com.au wrote:

> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > The auto capitals on entering data would be my preference, I can't stand > seeing files looking so messy even though the second option would print > them out correctly anyway. Regarding the second option, I think that > would still be worthwhile as then we would not have to go back through our

> database and fix those entries that are typed incorrectly. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu >

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Re: Auto capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 11:01.

Hi Sandra,

When we implement OVPMS-449 we will allow each different field to specify the preferred format and this will used to format the store data on the way in and out of the database. This means even if it is currently different in the database the text will be displayed and printed as specified.

The alternative was an interim solution we can implement in version 1.3 why you wait for the above to get scheduled for development and completed. I have added a new set of functions that can be used in any template or document that will allow you to do things such as :

word:capitalizeFully(customer.entity.name) etc

The other thing that can be done in 1.3 is modify the party:getFullName() function we already have to do the capitalisation for you. This means you would not need to change all your templates and documents but it does mean it does it for everyone which may or may not be wanted. What do users think, would you be happy for all your customer names to come out in Proper Case ?

Cheers Tony

On 6/02/09 11:08 AM, "sandra@bellvet.com.au" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > The auto capitals on entering data would be my preference, I can't stand > seeing files looking so messy even though the second option would print them > out correctly anyway. Regarding the second option, I think that would still > be worthwhile as then we would not have to go back through our database and > fix those entries that are typed incorrectly. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

Re: Auto capitals

Submitted by Matt C on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 11:01.

The "modify the party:getFullName()" would be great. In fact, that would be good enough solution for us altogether.

Matt C

On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:37:50 +1100, Tony De Keizer

wrote:

> Hi Sandra, > > When we implement OVPMS-449 we will allow each different field to specify > the preferred format and this will used to format the store data on the way

> in and out of the database. This means even if it is currently different > in > the database the text will be displayed and printed as specified. > > The alternative was an interim solution we can implement in version 1.3 why

> you wait for the above to get scheduled for development and completed. I > have added a new set of functions that can be used in any template or > document that will allow you to do things such as : > > word:capitalizeFully(customer.entity.name) etc > > The other thing that can be done in 1.3 is modify the party:getFullName() > function we already have to do the capitalisation for you. This means you

> would not need to change all your templates and documents but it does mean

> it does it for everyone which may or may not be wanted. What do users > think, would you be happy for all your customer names to come out in Proper

> Case ? > > Cheers > Tony > > > On 6/02/09 11:08 AM, "sandra@bellvet.com.au" : > >> Sandra @ Bellarine >> Hi Tony, >> The auto capitals on entering data would be my preference, I can't stand >> seeing files looking so messy even though the second option would print >> them >> out correctly anyway. Regarding the second option, I think that would

>> still >> be worthwhile as then we would not have to go back through our database >> and >> fix those entries that are typed incorrectly. >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenVPMS User Mailing List >> users@lists.openvpms.org >> To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: >> http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the >> OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu >

Re: Auto capitals

Submitted by tanderson on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 12:01.

Automatic capitilisation of surnames may cause some issues for names containing: da, de, della, la, le, van der, von which depending on what country you come from may be capitalised or not.

My preference would be to automatically capitilise on input as the user types, but provide the option to change the case to lowercase. E.g, If you input: john van de graaff it would automatically be converted to: John Van De Graaff as it is being input. However you could go back and change the "De" to "de" so that it becomes: John Van de Graaff

-Tim

Tony De Keizer wrote:

> Hi Sandra, > > When we implement OVPMS-449 we will allow each different field to specify > the preferred format and this will used to format the store data on the way > in and out of the database. This means even if it is currently different in > the database the text will be displayed and printed as specified. > > The alternative was an interim solution we can implement in version 1.3 why > you wait for the above to get scheduled for development and completed. I > have added a new set of functions that can be used in any template or > document that will allow you to do things such as : > > word:capitalizeFully(customer.entity.name) etc > > The other thing that can be done in 1.3 is modify the party:getFullName() > function we already have to do the capitalisation for you. This means you > would not need to change all your templates and documents but it does mean > it does it for everyone which may or may not be wanted. What do users > think, would you be happy for all your customer names to come out in Proper > Case ? > > Cheers > Tony > > > On 6/02/09 11:08 AM, "sandra@bellvet.com.au" : > > >> Sandra @ Bellarine >> Hi Tony, >> The auto capitals on entering data would be my preference, I can't stand >> seeing files looking so messy even though the second option would print them >> out correctly anyway. Regarding the second option, I think that would still >> be worthwhile as then we would not have to go back through our database and >> fix those entries that are typed incorrectly. >>

Auto Caps

Submitted by paravet (not verified) on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 14:19.

The "modify the party:getFullName()" would be great.

Regards,

Nick

Re: auto capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 13:06.

Sandra @ Bellarine

I would prefer more than just 'partyfullname' to auto capitalise eg: patient name, street name and type. This way when these details are automatically put into merge documents we don't have to worry.

When you say you have "added a new set of functions that can be used in any template or document that will allow you to do things such as :word:capitalizeFully(customer.entity.name) etc. Do you mean you have added it NOW???

Re: Re: auto capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 14:01.

Hi Sandra,

No to the current beta release which will become the final 1.3 release of OpenVPMS. Would need to be installed on your site to be available...

Cheers Tony

On 6/02/09 2:06 PM, "sandra@bellvet.com.au" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine > I would prefer more than just 'partyfullname' to auto capitalise eg: patient > name, street name and type. This way when these details are automatically put > into merge documents we don't have to worry. > When you say you have "added a new set of functions that can be used in any > template or document that will allow you to do things such as > :word:capitalizeFully(customer.entity.name) etc. Do you mean you have added > it NOW??? > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

Auto Capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Tue, 31/03/2009 - 13:55.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

Did the auto capital adjustment happen in the last release? It was mentioned above that 'party get full name' may be able to be modified so that we don't have to change our templates. I know this was only going to be an interim fix in 1.3 but wasn't sure if it had gone ahead.

Sandra.

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Tue, 31/03/2009 - 15:01.

Hi Sandra,

No changes where made as I believe discussions where still proceeding on relative merits of different solutions and whether the interim approach of capitalising the return from these functions should be used.

Happy to implement in subsequent version if this is what users want ... :-)

Cheers Tony

On 31/03/09 2:55 PM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > Did the auto capital adjustment happen in the last release? It was mentioned > above that 'party get full name' may be able to be modified so that we don't > have to change our templates. I know this was only going to be an interim fix > in 1.3 but wasn't sure if it had gone ahead. > Sandra. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

Auto Capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Wed, 01/04/2009 - 11:00.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

Are you able to outline for me what decisions still need to be made so we can move this forward. I misunderstood I thought this was going ahead.

Sandra.

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Fri, 03/04/2009 - 15:01.

Hi Sandra,

Sorry its taken me a while to get back to this. Emails from the site mucked up for a short while and this one skipped my attention on forums.

Ok some confusion on my part most likely. In the thread there were a number of options discussed and some pros and cons as well. In the end I didn't put any changes into the 1.3 final update I am sorry.

The option of capitalising the output from some of the functions is not valid for some names so we cannot implement without potentially affecting things in other locales (countries) as mentioned by Tim.

The while inputting option (the best option) requires development which I have discussed with Tim and is very doable but will not be realised until 1.4 with some funding. It will also require scripts to modify existing data.

The only quick option is to modify one of the OpenVPMS files to provide access to some capitalisation functions available in java i.e.

word:capitalize(party:getFullName(.))

This way the format is dictated by individual templates not globally.

Unfortunately I cannot do anything about this in the current release but will put in next release immediately. I am happy to work with individual sites who want this implemented though. Only 5 minutes work to setup .... :-)

Cheers Tony

On 1/04/09 12:00 PM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > Are you able to outline for me what decisions still need to be made so we can > move this forward. I misunderstood I thought this was going ahead. > Sandra. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

Auto Capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 15:08.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Tony would still like us to discuss this a bit more to make sure all bases are covered.

My preferences would be:

1. Auto capitalisation occurs on input for the Owners Name & Address, Patient Name and Patient Colour.

2. Tony mentioned earlier in this discussion that it would be possible to: "Utilise functions in the current report and document templates to do the capitalisation automatically so no matter what the format of the database information the printed output would come out in Proper Case."

I think this suggestion would ALSO be valuable as the data already on our systems and typed incorrectly would still print on certificates, letters, accounts etc in the correct manner.

What do other users think?

Sandra.

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Matt C on Wed, 22/04/2009 - 23:48.

Hi Sandra, I think the list covered in 1. is fairly comprehensive. I would specific Owners Name(s) ie. First and last. As for 2, if 1. is done within OpenVPMS 2. will happen automatically. I think Tony was suggesting 2. as an alternative that could be done now, rather then waiting for development within OP (ie. just change all your templates - we wont be doing that :) )

I would make the point that after the change is made, all new Owners names, addresess etc will be correctly capitalised. Existing records will not be affected. Therefore we should add to the specification that the existing fields are updated as part of this change to correct capitalisation. This would be part of the update that this development would be included with.

Matt C

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:08:34 +0000 (UTC), sandra@bellvet.com.au wrote:

> Sandra @ Bellarine > > Tony would still like us to discuss this a bit more to make sure all bases

> are covered. > My preferences would be: > 1. Auto capitalisation occurs on input for the Owners Name & > Address, Patient Name and Patient Colour. > 2. Tony mentioned earlier in this discussion that it would be possible > to: "Utilise functions in the current report and document templates to do

> the capitalisation automatically so no matter what the format of the > database information the printed output would come out in Proper Case." > I think this suggestion would ALSO be valuable as the data already on our

> systems and typed incorrectly would still print on certificates, letters, > accounts etc in the correct manner. > What do other users think? > Sandra. > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu >

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Auto Capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 13:16.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Thanks Matt!

So would everyone be happy with:

1. Auto Capitalise on input for the following fields: Title, Christian Name, Initial, Surname, Street Address, Suburb, Patient Name & Patient Colour.

2. Also, the existing fields being updated to correct capitalisation and released with the above changes.

Sandra

Auto Capitals

Submitted by jumlavet (not verified) on Thu, 30/04/2009 - 09:45.

Will the new auto-capitalise pick up the McCann or the O'Brien etc?

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Fri, 01/05/2009 - 11:00.

Hi Keith,

I think this would have to be part of specification and from some tests on standard capitalize functions here it seems to work that way.

Cheers Tony

On 30/04/09 9:45 AM, "Vets@Mittagongvet. Au" :

> Will the new auto-capitalise pick up the McCann or the O'Brien etc? > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Auto Capitals

Submitted by bellvet on Mon, 11/05/2009 - 13:35.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

You mentioned you were going to JIRA this.

Has this happened or do you still need more discussion?

Sandra.

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Mon, 11/05/2009 - 14:00.

Hi Sandra,

I worked with Tim last week to specify how we would do it. There is a bit of foundation work to do so it will take a bit more time then originally expected but it means any further requirements of the same kind will be quicker.

Jira is here https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-449

Estimated time to complete 20 hours including ability to update existing data.

Cheers Tony

On 11/05/09 1:35 PM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > You mentioned you were going to JIRA this. > Has this happened or do you still need more discussion? > Sandra. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Auto Capitals

Submitted by tony on Tue, 12/05/2009 - 07:57.

Hi Guys,

Apologies, I incorrectly quoted the development hours required to complete this JIRA as 20 hours. It should have been 34 hours.

Cheers

Tony

Autocapitalisation: Time to pass the hat around

Submitted by Matt C on Fri, 29/05/2009 - 19:36.

Hi everyone,

So autocapitalisation has been adequately discussed, a JIRA has been created (https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-449) and the time required has been provided (34 hours).

34 hours @ $75/hr = $2550

To get to the next stage we need pledges to fund this development. Please email me (mpcosta[at]boroniavet.com[dot]au) with the maximum contribution you are willing to make either a percentage or as a $ amount.

Development will not commence until the project is fully funded.

I will make posts to this topic notifying the community as to how far along we are in funding the project.

Current % Funded: 0%

Re: Autocapitalisation: Time to pass the hat around

Submitted by chris (not verified) on Mon, 01/06/2009 - 14:00.

Matt We would be good for 10% Chris

-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org [mailto:users-bounces@lists.openvpms.org]On Behalf Of mpcosta@boroniavet.com.au Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 19:37 To: users@lists.openvpms.org Subject: [OpenVPMS Users] Autocapitalisation: Time to pass the hat around

Hi everyone, So autocapitalisation has been adequately discussed, a JIRA has been created (https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-449) and the time required has been provided (34 hours).

34 hours @ $75/hr = $2550

To get to the next stage we need pledges to fund this development. Please email me (mpcosta@boroniavet.com.au) with the maximum contribution you are willing to make either a percentage or as a $ amount. Development will not commence until the project is fully funded.

I will make posts to this topic notifying the community as to how far along we are in funding the project. Current % Funded: 0%

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Autocapitalisation: Funding update (10%)

Submitted by Matt C on Sat, 30/05/2009 - 16:01.

Current % Funded: 10%

Thank you to our contributors.

Autocapitalisation: Funding Update (20%)

Submitted by Matt C on Mon, 01/06/2009 - 13:58.

Current % Funded: 20%

Thank you to our contributors.

Autocapitalisation: Funding Update (32%)

Submitted by Matt C on Tue, 02/06/2009 - 12:13.

Current % Funded: 32%

Thank you to our contributors.

Autocapitalisation: Funding Complete!

Submitted by Matt C on Mon, 15/06/2009 - 15:16.

Funding has been acheived! Development is underway. Congratutulations to all those who helped the idea become reality!

k

Submitted by kingswayvet (not verified) on Thu, 13/08/2009 - 17:05.

Re: Auto Capitals

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Thu, 13/08/2009 - 18:00.

HI ??? :-),

Autocaps is a feature that has been discussed in the forums a lot and we agree it is a great idea and it has actually been specified and developed and will be released in version 1.4.

http://www.openvpms.org/project/autocapitalisation

Cheers Tony

On 13/08/09 5:04 PM, "kingswayvet@bigpond.com" :

> I have just come over from Visual Vetaid. I am finding to alot of file where > there are no capital on name, streets etc. It is difficult as it was something > that automatically occured on visvet. I would definately be one for Autocaps. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Submitted by kingswayvet (not verified) on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 09:28.

Thanks
Just learning to use the forum and then got to the bottom and realised it
was already coming which is great. Can you give me a little advise in
navigation around the site. How do i look at things that are coming through
jira??. Thank you for the quick replies on all my questions.
Joss
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