Drug Label not using printed name on label only on invoice

Submitted by bellvet on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 10:53

General User's Discussion

Hi,

When adding a product on OpenVPMS there are 2 x name fields, NAME (top field) and PRINTED NAME. One of our vets has just picked up that the 'Printed Name' text prints on the invoice but 'NAME' field text prints on the drug label.

Can it be arranged that the printed name prints everywhere and that the plain NAME top field does not print anywhere?

Sandra.

Re: Drug Label not using printed name on label only on invoice

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 12:00.

Hi Sandra,

I actually don't think this is always a good idea and in some cases may have some legal ramifications.

The idea behind the printed name field is really to print a more suitable name on documentation for the customer. If no printed name is defined the name is used. An example maybe to put Antibiotics as the description on the invoice rather than the specific antibiotics used.

For drug labels I believe you need to detail the exact product used so in the above scenario this would not work. The problem is different practices may use the printed name and name field for different purposes. One example is adding prefixes etc to make searching products easier (not something I would recommend btw). There is no way we can tell what this use is and make an intelligent decision on which to use.

In the end you will need to make a practice wide decision and edit the drug label template yourself (or through an implementer) to make this change.

Cheers Tony

On 18/05/09 9:53 AM, "Sandra" :

> Hi, > > When adding a product on OpenVPMS there are 2 x name fields, NAME (top field) > and PRINTED NAME. One of our vets has just picked up that the 'Printed Name' > text prints on the invoice but 'NAME' field text prints on the drug label. > > Can it be arranged that the printed name prints everywhere and that the plain > NAME top field does not print anywhere? > > Sandra. > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu

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Drug label printed name

Submitted by bellvet on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 12:31.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure if we're on the same track. I don't want to remove either field. I just want to make sure that the "PRINTED NAME" field is the only field that prints on client documentation, eg: drug labels and invoices.

We want the plain NAME field to remain we just do not want the text typed there to appear anywhere on client documentation.

At the moment on our system the PRINTED NAME field is appearing as we wish on client invoices HOWEVER the plain NAME field is printing on the drug labels which the clients get. We want the PRINTED NAME to appear on the drug labels instead.

I thought it must have been a problem OPENVPMS wide, is it just to do with the setup at our clinic?

Re: Drug label printed name

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 13:00.

Hi Sandra,

OpenVPMS does not have any control on what is placed in the name and printed name fields on your products. The Drug label template provided in the standard release makes the assumption that most practices would have the real name of the drug in the name field (Clavulox 200mg tablets) and possibly (but mostly unlikely) a alternative name in the printed Name (Antibiotics). We assume that the former not the later is what needs to be printed on the Drug Label.

If you have setup your names and printed names to have different representations then you need to get your Drug Label template modified to suit. Al you need to do is modify it to change the name filed to printedName.

So this is a site specific option not something that I think we should change in the release to effect all users. It is not a bug or problem.

Happy to hear arguments for or against though ...

Cheers Tony

On 18/05/09 11:31 AM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure if we're on the same track. I don't

> want to remove either field. I just want to make sure that the "PRINTED NAME" > field is the only field that prints on client documentation, eg: drug labels > and invoices. We want the plain NAME field to remain we just do not want the

> text typed there to appear anywhere on client documentation. At the moment on

> our system the PRINTED NAME field is appearing as we wish on client invoices > HOWEVER the plain NAME field is printing on the drug labels which the clients > get. We want the PRINTED NAME to appear on the drug labels instead. I thought

> it must have been a problem OPENVPMS wide, is it just to do with the setup at > our clinic?

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Drug Label printed name

Submitted by bellvet on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 15:25.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Me again Tony, I tried to open the drug label template to view/edit it and I can't open it.

Any suggestions?

Sandra.

Re: Drug Label printed name

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 18:00.

Hi Sandra,

Typically this is an issue with the configuration of the Browser and how it handles downloads of specific file types. In the case of the jasper reports these have a type of text/xml which generally should display a pop up browser window with the code of the report or if configured should prompt where to save the downloaded file. Once downloaded you can edit in iReport and then upload in the template.

You will need to check with your local Integrator to see why your Browser is not downloading the file correctly. They should be able to diagnose issue and resolve.

Cheers Tony

On 18/05/09 2:25 PM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine Me again Tony, I tried to open the drug label template to

> view/edit it and I can't open it. Any

> suggestions?

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Re: Drug Label printed name

Submitted by Matt C on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 19:00.

Hi Sandra we have had this issue. Here's how we sorted it out.

1. Open the jrxml document in firefox. 2. A window pops up (after a while - the broswer tries to parse every XML element :) The title bar will read something like "http://xxx.xxx.x.xx:8080/openvpms/download?qname=document.other.1.0&id=20378") 3. Now right click anywhere in this window and then click "Save Page as" and choose Save as type:"Web Page,XML only" 4. Find where it downloaded and change the extension from "sample.jrxml.xml" to "sample.jrxml" 5. Open in Ireport

The problem seems to be associated with encoding. Some of the characters get copied incorrectly if you just copy and paste them. Hope this helps.

Matt C

On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:06:58 +1000, Tony De Keizer

wrote:

> Hi Sandra, > > Typically this is an issue with the configuration of the Browser and how it

> handles downloads of specific file types. In the case of the jasper > reports > these have a type of text/xml which generally should display a pop up > browser window with the code of the report or if configured should prompt > where to save the downloaded file. Once downloaded you can edit in iReport

> and then upload in the template. > > You will need to check with your local Integrator to see why your Browser > is > not downloading the file correctly. They should be able to diagnose issue

> and resolve. > > Cheers > Tony > > On 18/05/09 2:25 PM, "Sandra" : > >> Sandra @ Bellarine > Me again Tony, I tried to open the drug label template to >> view/edit it and I can't open it. > Any >> suggestions? > Sandra. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPM >> S User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your >> subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this >> mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's >> forum- >> http://tinyurl.com/openvfu > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu >

Re: Drug label printed name

Submitted by Matt C on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 19:00.

Hello everyone, Guiltily I put my hand up to being one of those practices that use the Printed Name everywhere as the legal name. We don't use generic names ever, just printed names like "Cephalexin 250mg" or "Clavulox 250mg". In the "Name" field we use a coding system.. the alluded drug prefixes that Tony refers to. Its not what Name was intended for, but gees it helps us find products quickly, especially with new grads/employees.

So you can see already how one clinic uses these two fields can vary from site to site. On the positive side we accepted that our use of the fields whilst not standard, suited us and the control of templates allowed by OpenVPMS permitted us to change them all to use "Printed Name" rather then "Name".

I think this is a story to support your argument Tony, that the templates should fit what suits most clinics and those like us should change their templates for their own ends.

I don't know if this helped anyone....

Matt C

On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:41:00 +1000, Tony De Keizer

wrote:

> Hi Sandra, > > OpenVPMS does not have any control on what is placed in the name and > printed > name fields on your products. The Drug label template provided in the > standard release makes the assumption that most practices would have the > real name of the drug in the name field (Clavulox 200mg tablets) and > possibly (but mostly unlikely) a alternative name in the printed Name > (Antibiotics). We assume that the former not the later is what needs to be

> printed on the Drug Label. > > If you have setup your names and printed names to have different > representations then you need to get your Drug Label template modified to > suit. Al you need to do is modify it to change the name filed to > printedName. > > So this is a site specific option not something that I think we should > change in the release to effect all users. It is not a bug or problem. > > Happy to hear arguments for or against though ... > > Cheers > Tony > > > On 18/05/09 11:31 AM, "Sandra" : > >> Sandra @ Bellarine > Hi Tony, > I'm not sure if we're on the same track. I don't >> want to remove either field. I just want to make sure that the "PRINTED >> NAME" >> field is the only field that prints on client documentation, eg: drug >> labels >> and invoices. > We want the plain NAME field to remain we just do not want the >> text typed there to appear anywhere on client documentation. > At the moment on >> our system the PRINTED NAME field is appearing as we wish on client >> invoices >> HOWEVER the plain NAME field is printing on the drug labels which the >> clients >> get. We want the PRINTED NAME to appear on the drug labels instead. > I thought >> it must have been a problem OPENVPMS wide, is it just to do with the >> setup at >> our clinic? > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User >> Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your >> subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this >> mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the OpenVPMS User's >> forum- >> http://tinyurl.com/openvfu > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenVPMS User Mailing List > users@lists.openvpms.org > To unsubscribe or change your subscription visit: > http://lists.openvpms.org/listinfo/users > Posts from this mailing list can be viewed online and replied to in the > OpenVPMS User's forum- http://tinyurl.com/openvfu >

Drug Label not using printed

Submitted by tony on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 11:03.

Hi Guys,

Tim and I talked about the way OpenVPMS currently handles jasper report templates and in fact any xml content. We believe it is actually wrong and confusing to people who want to edit existing templates and may not have kept a copy of the edited template somewhere for editing purposes. Currently it will try and show the raw xml code in a window and you have to go through the steps Matt descibed. We think it should automatically display a save dialogue so you can save the template and edit using iReport and then upload back to the template.

I have just made this change and it will be incorporated in the 1.4 release. The JIRA is https://openvpms.atlassian.net/browse/OVPMS-879

Cheers

Tony

Drug Label not using "PRINTED NAME" field

Submitted by bellvet on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 18:23.

Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi All,

Thought I should explain why we don't want the plain name field to appear anywhere that a client will see it.

We basically use the exact drug name in both fields but on occassions we like to be able to put a note where ONLY STAFF can see it. For example if something has gone up substantially in price since we last purchased it we like to be able to put a note for staff so when the client questions the $ staff don't have to look up and check supplier prices to ensure the price is appearing correctly.

It's also handy for notes to staff about not breaking up products to sell. For example almost ALL of our medications our setup to be priced per tablet. With a special order for a client we don't want staff to dispense a portion of the product so we may put a note not to break up the product but sell as a complete unit.

These notes can be very brief or even a symbol but they help in communication and we would prefer these not to print out on drug labels.

Thanks for your feedback.

Sandra.

Re: Drug Label not using "PRINTED NAME" field

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Wed, 20/05/2009 - 10:00.

Hi Sandra,

I think it maybe a good idea to add a notes field to products and if not empty display these to the user when the product is selected. Would this circumvent the need to use the name field ?

Cheers Tony

On 19/05/09 5:23 PM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine

Hi All,

Thought I should explain why we don't want the

> plain name field to appear anywhere that a client will see it. We basically

> use the exact drug name in both fields but on occassions we like to be able to > put a note where ONLY STAFF can see it. For example if something has gone up > substantially in price since we last purchased it we like to be able to put a > note for staff so when the client questions the $ staff don't have to look up > and check supplier prices to ensure the price is appearing correctly. It's

> also handy for notes to staff about not breaking up products to sell. For > example almost ALL of our medications our setup to be priced per tablet. With > a special order for a client we don't want staff to dispense a portion of the > product so we may put a note not to break up the product but sell as a > complete unit. These notes can be very brief or even a symbol but they help in

> communication and we would prefer these not to print out on drug > labels. Thanks for your

> feedback.

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Drug Label not using PRINTED FIELD NAME

Submitted by bellvet on Fri, 22/05/2009 - 12:10.

Sandra @ Bellarine

It may be handy if we wanted to put lots of notes but to date we haven't needed to do that.

I would be happy if we could just prevent that PLAIN NAME FIELD (top field) from printing out on anything that a client could see and have the "printed name field" being the only field that would print out.

Sandra.

Re: Drug Label not using PRINTED FIELD NAME

Submitted by Tony De Keizer (not verified) on Fri, 22/05/2009 - 13:00.

Hi Sandra,

No problems. This is something that would not be considered a global change to the template as it would not suit every practice. Seeing templates are provided but typically modified by each practice you would either need to edit it yourself to make the change or contact your implementer off forum to make the necessary changes for you.

In order to make the change you will need a copy of your current drug label jrxml file and use iReport to change the displayed drug name from product.entity.name to product.entity.printedName, save the file and load into template.

Cheers Tony

On 22/05/09 11:10 AM, "Sandra" :

> Sandra @ Bellarine It may be handy if we wanted to put lots of notes but to

> date we haven't needed to do that. I would be happy if we could just prevent

> that PLAIN NAME FIELD (top field) from printing out on anything that a client > could see and have the "printed name field" being the only field that would > print out.

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